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	<title>Comments on: Dave Winer wades in</title>
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		<title>By: мaлышyля</title>
		<link>http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/2005/12/dave-winer-wades-in/comment-page-1/#comment-473235</link>
		<dc:creator>мaлышyля</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Сенкс за информацию, почитал с интересом</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Сенкс за информацию, почитал с интересом</p>
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		<title>By: JohnSmit</title>
		<link>http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/2005/12/dave-winer-wades-in/comment-page-1/#comment-254774</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnSmit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>q4NKuY</description>
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		<title>By: Bill Brown</title>
		<link>http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/2005/12/dave-winer-wades-in/comment-page-1/#comment-1550</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s particularly ironic about Dave&#039;s comment is that he wrote a big long piece on Scripting News (back when I used to read it) about how he thinks it&#039;s great to call bullshit on people&#039;s opinions. It was a rambling thing about how he could call Scoble&#039;s bullshit out and how that&#039;s what friends do. It also said something about doing them a service. I couldn&#039;t find it via his search, but I remember it distinctly because the one-way-ness of it in practice struck me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s particularly ironic about Dave&#8217;s comment is that he wrote a big long piece on Scripting News (back when I used to read it) about how he thinks it&#8217;s great to call bullshit on people&#8217;s opinions. It was a rambling thing about how he could call Scoble&#8217;s bullshit out and how that&#8217;s what friends do. It also said something about doing them a service. I couldn&#8217;t find it via his search, but I remember it distinctly because the one-way-ness of it in practice struck me.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
		<link>http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/2005/12/dave-winer-wades-in/comment-page-1/#comment-1541</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2005 02:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave
have a lot of respect for you, even if I do occasionally poke fun, but isn&#039;t this a case of the pot calling the kettle black? Aren&#039;t you really the coward for not allowing commenting on your blog?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave<br />
have a lot of respect for you, even if I do occasionally poke fun, but isn&#8217;t this a case of the pot calling the kettle black? Aren&#8217;t you really the coward for not allowing commenting on your blog?</p>
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		<title>By: Blog Relations - We make blogs and Podcasts &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Scoble MacLeod Geek Dinner Podcast</title>
		<link>http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/2005/12/dave-winer-wades-in/comment-page-1/#comment-1537</link>
		<dc:creator>Blog Relations - We make blogs and Podcasts &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Scoble MacLeod Geek Dinner Podcast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2005 00:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The podcast is almost 20 minutes long. There will be a few more little pieces from The Geek Dinner in a later podcast, including some words with Ben Metcalfe - and not all of them are four letter ones. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The podcast is almost 20 minutes long. There will be a few more little pieces from The Geek Dinner in a later podcast, including some words with Ben Metcalfe &#8211; and not all of them are four letter ones. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Photar</title>
		<link>http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/2005/12/dave-winer-wades-in/comment-page-1/#comment-1534</link>
		<dc:creator>Photar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;#  flynn Says:
Single someone out in real life is bad manners and trash talking in IRC isn’t? 
&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
It wasn&#039;t just IRC, it was IRC to Mena&#039;s face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>#  flynn Says:<br />
Single someone out in real life is bad manners and trash talking in IRC isn’t?<br />
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<p>It wasn&#8217;t just IRC, it was IRC to Mena&#8217;s face.</p>
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		<title>By: flynn</title>
		<link>http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/2005/12/dave-winer-wades-in/comment-page-1/#comment-1531</link>
		<dc:creator>flynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Single someone out in real life is bad manners and trash talking in IRC isn&#039;t? Come on. Buy yourself some ethics at the next supermarket...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Single someone out in real life is bad manners and trash talking in IRC isn&#8217;t? Come on. Buy yourself some ethics at the next supermarket&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Photar</title>
		<link>http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/2005/12/dave-winer-wades-in/comment-page-1/#comment-1530</link>
		<dc:creator>Photar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2005 07:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m new to this whole blogsosphere thing so please bear with me. You have a big projected chat screen up durring a presentation for the purpose of fostering open interactive dynamic presentation experience. Common sence would suggest that if someone had an interesting thought provoking comment or question that it might be addressed directly even by the presenter. 

So, you call bullshit on someone&#039;s presentation while they&#039;re giving it and being singled out is somehow suprising?

Am I missing something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m new to this whole blogsosphere thing so please bear with me. You have a big projected chat screen up durring a presentation for the purpose of fostering open interactive dynamic presentation experience. Common sence would suggest that if someone had an interesting thought provoking comment or question that it might be addressed directly even by the presenter. </p>
<p>So, you call bullshit on someone&#8217;s presentation while they&#8217;re giving it and being singled out is somehow suprising?</p>
<p>Am I missing something?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Marks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was also in the room and was surprised at the way Mena handled her irritation. I don&#039;t think Ben made a strong argument for his case - but then I think that was pretty impossible since he was singled out - and the context was all wrong. I didn&#039;t think the Backchannel contributed much to the conversation (does it ever)..it is more of a distraction than anything. But I don&#039;t think Mena&#039;s character assassination achieved what she was intending. The audience was full of customers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was also in the room and was surprised at the way Mena handled her irritation. I don&#8217;t think Ben made a strong argument for his case &#8211; but then I think that was pretty impossible since he was singled out &#8211; and the context was all wrong. I didn&#8217;t think the Backchannel contributed much to the conversation (does it ever)..it is more of a distraction than anything. But I don&#8217;t think Mena&#8217;s character assassination achieved what she was intending. The audience was full of customers.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Thurgoode</title>
		<link>http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/2005/12/dave-winer-wades-in/comment-page-1/#comment-1511</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Thurgoode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2005 18:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe Black: Because Winer is/is being a c*nt that is what&#039;s wrong with it. And I would happily say that to his face.

The backchannel wasn&#039;t actually on screen until just after Ben had posted his &#039;bullshit&#039; comment, and standing up to defend oneself diplomatically, after being attacked personally, is not the action of a coward. As has been mentioned Ben attacked content, Mena attacked character. There is a difference.

And, off topic I know, but renaming RSS is a good thing if it gets the profile of it out of the relm of geeks. There is a reason why global companies spend millions on product naming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe Black: Because Winer is/is being a c*nt that is what&#8217;s wrong with it. And I would happily say that to his face.</p>
<p>The backchannel wasn&#8217;t actually on screen until just after Ben had posted his &#8216;bullshit&#8217; comment, and standing up to defend oneself diplomatically, after being attacked personally, is not the action of a coward. As has been mentioned Ben attacked content, Mena attacked character. There is a difference.</p>
<p>And, off topic I know, but renaming RSS is a good thing if it gets the profile of it out of the relm of geeks. There is a reason why global companies spend millions on product naming.</p>
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