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	<title>Comments on: London Geek Dinner with Scoble: 10th Dec 2005</title>
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		<title>By: Toby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does this mean that book reviews are off limits if the publisher sends a blogger a review copy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does this mean that book reviews are off limits if the publisher sends a blogger a review copy?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2005 16:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of the problem is expertise. I quite like lots of wines that are terrible value for money or are way *way* below the best you can get for the same cost. So if I think (and blog) that Stormhoek is great, that opinion isn&#039;t worth very much. If Jilly Goulden says it&#039;s great - well, she&#039;s tasted a lot more wine that me, so she&#039;s probably a more reliable indicator of what *you* might get out it.

I hate to say it, but blogging is just like publishing. The &quot;cleaner&quot; you stay editorially, the more people will trust you. If you shill for anything - and especially if you gets paid lots for doing so - people will start to believe in you less. You takes your money and you pays your choice (or something...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the problem is expertise. I quite like lots of wines that are terrible value for money or are way *way* below the best you can get for the same cost. So if I think (and blog) that Stormhoek is great, that opinion isn&#8217;t worth very much. If Jilly Goulden says it&#8217;s great &#8211; well, she&#8217;s tasted a lot more wine that me, so she&#8217;s probably a more reliable indicator of what *you* might get out it.</p>
<p>I hate to say it, but blogging is just like publishing. The &#8220;cleaner&#8221; you stay editorially, the more people will trust you. If you shill for anything &#8211; and especially if you gets paid lots for doing so &#8211; people will start to believe in you less. You takes your money and you pays your choice (or something&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Henriette Weber Andersen</title>
		<link>http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/2005/09/london-geek-dinner-with-scoble-10th-dec-2005/comment-page-1/#comment-822</link>
		<dc:creator>Henriette Weber Andersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when it comes down to scratch I think it is brilliant what Hugh is doing ! it is proven blogvertising at it&#039;s best. 

the innovative level of this is skyhigh my friends !

and Ben, it is not common practice for companies to whine about &quot; unfair advantages&quot;  they usually copy it to their own brand.

and if it hadn&#039;t been stormhoek it would have been somebody else.

Im just happy that it is a tiny wine brand instead of some multinational company looking to innovate themselves...

if Hugh had decided to promote Nike instead, that my friends would have been selling out the blogosphere..

the blogosphere is in my opinion the land of small voices being heard.. 

all the best</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when it comes down to scratch I think it is brilliant what Hugh is doing ! it is proven blogvertising at it&#8217;s best. </p>
<p>the innovative level of this is skyhigh my friends !</p>
<p>and Ben, it is not common practice for companies to whine about &#8221; unfair advantages&#8221;  they usually copy it to their own brand.</p>
<p>and if it hadn&#8217;t been stormhoek it would have been somebody else.</p>
<p>Im just happy that it is a tiny wine brand instead of some multinational company looking to innovate themselves&#8230;</p>
<p>if Hugh had decided to promote Nike instead, that my friends would have been selling out the blogosphere..</p>
<p>the blogosphere is in my opinion the land of small voices being heard.. </p>
<p>all the best</p>
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		<title>By: hugh macleod</title>
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		<dc:creator>hugh macleod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno, Nick, it seems a lot of bloggers use alcohol to enhance their blogging experience ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno, Nick, it seems a lot of bloggers use alcohol to enhance their blogging experience <img src='http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ed Byrne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Byrne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2005 09:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben,

&#039;you (on behalf of the wine company) are asking other blogoshphere “peers” (ie not the company) to promote the wine in return for an incentive (free bottle).&#039;

I signed up but didn&#039;t see this request anywhere?! I think you have it backwards - it&#039;s not &#039;promote the company and get free bottle of wine&#039; it&#039;s &#039;get a free bottle of wine and we hope you&#039;ll like it enough to tell your peers about it&#039;. 

AND I posted about it - does that mean I&#039;M asking &#039;peers&#039; to promote it? Even though there&#039;s nothing in it for me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben,</p>
<p>&#8216;you (on behalf of the wine company) are asking other blogoshphere “peers” (ie not the company) to promote the wine in return for an incentive (free bottle).&#8217;</p>
<p>I signed up but didn&#8217;t see this request anywhere?! I think you have it backwards &#8211; it&#8217;s not &#8216;promote the company and get free bottle of wine&#8217; it&#8217;s &#8216;get a free bottle of wine and we hope you&#8217;ll like it enough to tell your peers about it&#8217;. </p>
<p>AND I posted about it &#8211; does that mean I&#8217;M asking &#8216;peers&#8217; to promote it? Even though there&#8217;s nothing in it for me?</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone heard of &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/05/23/135223.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Earl Dittman&lt;/a&gt;?

Anyway, I made this point on Mr Coates&#039;s site: there&#039;s a slight difference between giving bloggers bits of tech kit that they can demonstrably use as part of their blogging -- for instance, a cameraphone -- and giving them bottles of wine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone heard of <a href="http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/05/23/135223.php" rel="nofollow">Earl Dittman</a>?</p>
<p>Anyway, I made this point on Mr Coates&#8217;s site: there&#8217;s a slight difference between giving bloggers bits of tech kit that they can demonstrably use as part of their blogging &#8212; for instance, a cameraphone &#8212; and giving them bottles of wine.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, the &quot;natural selection&quot; comment is strange.  There really is no such thing in a competitive marketplace.  Natural selection might happen if all competing products in a given space--wine, in this instance--were marketed equally (or not at all).  In that event, the market would determine which brands it liked and didn&#039;t.  The product that won the space would do so via word of mouth.  

Competition necessitates advertising, especially for a start-up brand.  What&#039;s so different about Stormhoek&#039;s &quot;blogvertising&quot; from say, GoDaddy.com&#039;s advertisements during the American Superbowl?  Not as splashy (certainly less expensive) and maybe Hugh doesn&#039;t look like the GoDaddy.com chick, but both campaigns have people talking.  GoDaddy.com is a bigger brand now than Network Solutions, if I&#039;m not mistaken.  Good for them; they got creative and won the space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the &#8220;natural selection&#8221; comment is strange.  There really is no such thing in a competitive marketplace.  Natural selection might happen if all competing products in a given space&#8211;wine, in this instance&#8211;were marketed equally (or not at all).  In that event, the market would determine which brands it liked and didn&#8217;t.  The product that won the space would do so via word of mouth.  </p>
<p>Competition necessitates advertising, especially for a start-up brand.  What&#8217;s so different about Stormhoek&#8217;s &#8220;blogvertising&#8221; from say, GoDaddy.com&#8217;s advertisements during the American Superbowl?  Not as splashy (certainly less expensive) and maybe Hugh doesn&#8217;t look like the GoDaddy.com chick, but both campaigns have people talking.  GoDaddy.com is a bigger brand now than Network Solutions, if I&#8217;m not mistaken.  Good for them; they got creative and won the space.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Betteridge</title>
		<link>http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/2005/09/london-geek-dinner-with-scoble-10th-dec-2005/comment-page-1/#comment-679</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Betteridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2005 10:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This thread is the final proof that, on the Internet, you can find an argument with *anyone* about *anything*. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This thread is the final proof that, on the Internet, you can find an argument with *anyone* about *anything*. <img src='http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: :Ben Metcalfe Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A little spat with Hugh MacLeod</title>
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		<dc:creator>:Ben Metcalfe Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A little spat with Hugh MacLeod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: sloan</title>
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		<dc:creator>sloan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ben, how is this an unfair advantage? lets say wine A is the greatest wine on earth, but they do not market it at all and wine B is mediocre, but is advertised on billboards, tv ads, and radio stations non-stop.  wine B will make more money and be viewed as more successful. -not based on merit, but based on marketing.

if you&#039;d actually read the reviews, you&#039;d see that people aren&#039;t calling it great wine. they&#039;re calling it a good value.  nobody is claiming that its an elite wine.

don&#039;t be jealous that stormhoek has an incredible marketing campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ben, how is this an unfair advantage? lets say wine A is the greatest wine on earth, but they do not market it at all and wine B is mediocre, but is advertised on billboards, tv ads, and radio stations non-stop.  wine B will make more money and be viewed as more successful. -not based on merit, but based on marketing.</p>
<p>if you&#8217;d actually read the reviews, you&#8217;d see that people aren&#8217;t calling it great wine. they&#8217;re calling it a good value.  nobody is claiming that its an elite wine.</p>
<p>don&#8217;t be jealous that stormhoek has an incredible marketing campaign.</p>
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